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Re: Names of wild animals

Postby Tahl » Wed May 09, 2012 12:01 pm

Lurch2 wrote:
sumsmeister wrote:Rhaid i mi sibrwd:- moch ddaear


Or, of course, broch- I don't know how much this is used in Welsh today, but it passed into English as "Brock".

Interesting. I've never heard 'brock' before. I found this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brock
Is it a commonly-used and -known word for 'badger' in the UK?
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Re: Names of wild animals

Postby Lurch2 » Wed May 09, 2012 12:08 pm

Tahl wrote:nteresting. I've never heard 'brock' before. I found this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brock
Is it a commonly-used and -known word for 'badger' in the UK?


Not nowadays, but it's a commonly known word as one which used to be used, if that makes any sense! Come to think of it, I've really only heard or read the word in that context, so have no idea what dialects or time line it covered, as it were! It could just be a myth! :wink:

Thanks for asking the question- could be an interesting thing to try and find out.....

Oxford English Dictionary in the library probably a place to start. Examples of usage and all that.
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Re: Names of wild animals

Postby Journeymouse » Wed May 09, 2012 12:57 pm

gwiwer wrote:The descriptions are in welsh but there is an English index as well as the welsh so you can identify everything. I bought it mainly to learn the welsh names, but it's fun to have a go at reading the descriptions as well.


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Re: Names of wild animals

Postby Sionned » Wed May 09, 2012 2:22 pm

Lurch2 wrote:
Tahl wrote:nteresting. I've never heard 'brock' before. I found this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brock
Is it a commonly-used and -known word for 'badger' in the UK?

Not nowadays, but it's a commonly known word as one which used to be used, if that makes any sense! Come to think of it, I've really only heard or read the word in that context, so have no idea what dialects or time line it covered, as it were! It could just be a myth! :wink:

Thanks for asking the question- could be an interesting thing to try and find out.....

Oxford English Dictionary in the library probably a place to start. Examples of usage and all that.

OK, since I have a (compact) OED, I looked up "brock." There are actually five entries for the word, but the first is defined as "a badger". The etymology given is: OE. broc, from Celtic: OIr. brocc, Ir. and Gael. broc, Welsh and Cornish broch, Breton broc'h: - OCeltic *broccos, prob. cogn. w. Gr. Φορκός grey, white; cf. the Eng. name gray, grey.

E2A: The earliest reference given for this use is c. 1000 in a Saxon record saying that the word in "englisc" is broc.
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Re: Names of wild animals

Postby Bryn-Daf » Thu May 10, 2012 1:23 am

Lurch2 wrote:
Tahl wrote:nteresting. I've never heard 'brock' before. I found this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brock
Is it a commonly-used and -known word for 'badger' in the UK?


Not nowadays, but it's a commonly known word as one which used to be used


Lurch while I quite agree...we must be careful saying that just because most of england doesnt say brock anymore that means its not said anywhere else anymore....I remember locals in the south west I think saying it for badger, but I wont lie I cant remember where the hec I heard them say it!! fail :wink:
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Re: Names of wild animals

Postby Bryn-Daf » Thu May 10, 2012 2:15 am

Carw - deer/stag? (plural/lluosog = ceirw?)

Badger - Mochyn (plural. moch?) y ddaear - pig of the earth
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Re: Names of wild animals

Postby RobertBruce » Thu May 10, 2012 6:12 am

Bryn-Daf wrote:
Lurch2 wrote:
Tahl wrote:nteresting. I've never heard 'brock' before. I found this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brock
Is it a commonly-used and -known word for 'badger' in the UK?


Not nowadays, but it's a commonly known word as one which used to be used


Lurch while I quite agree...we must be careful saying that just because most of england doesnt say brock anymore that means its not said anywhere else anymore....I remember locals in the south west I think saying it for badger, but I wont lie I cant remember where the hec I heard them say it!! fail :wink:


I've heard people refer to badgers in general as 'Mr Brock'; as in, "See that gap under the fence, yon? That be where Mr Brock come[s] into the yard."
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